SAVE Cascadia Chapter 2015/2016 Board Year
Date: September 9, 2015
Location: Stanley & Seafort’s Restaurant, 115 E. 34th Street, Tacoma, WA 98404
Chapter Meeting Attendees: Blane Long (Board President) – HDR
Steven W. Thompson (Board V.P.) – The Boeing Company
Teresa Platin (Board Secretary) – HDR
Laurie Dennis – RHA
Thomasa W. Hume – WSDOT
Paul Fuchs* – The Boeing Company
Ken Smith – HDR
Brewce Larkin* – Parker Hannifin Corporation
Bill Hickey – Jacobs
Marlo Stebner – Boeing
*First time Cascadia Chapter Dinner Meeting Participant
Chapter Meeting (7:00 – 7:30 pm)
See list of attendees above. Two first time participants in the Chapter dinner meetings were present.
Treasurer John Langer was unable to attend the Chapter Meeting, but provided a status on available funds. We currently have $6,199.99 in the bank.
First time participants in this chapter meeting and our speaker will have their meals paid for by the Chapter tonight.
Using our New Technology
Starting next month we will be broadcasting our general chapter meetings and monthly presentations live on the web. The September meeting was in intended to be a trial run (viewed by the President from with the meeting room); however, the laptop battery was dead, and the backup laptop did not have full functionality for the webcast. There will be another trial run performed by the Board prior to the October meeting.
Vice President Steven Thompson set-up a Meeting Burner account to accommodate 10 virtual participants at a time for free (with no expiration date). Adding live viewers will result in a service charge. Our upcoming meeting invitations should have instructions and a notice that this will also work for smart phones. Virtual viewers should be asked to RSVP for the dial-in by registering ahead of time, as well as responding to Secretary Teresa Platin’s invitation. Registration will allow remote participants to get one of the 10 spots (first come, first served).
Blane will not be able to attend the October Meeting, so Steven Thompson will run the meeting and Blane will call in.
Save Virtual Meeting
SAVE International would like us to host a virtual meeting in October (date TBD) at noon time (EST) for an hour or hour and half.
SAVE will coordinate with the technology. At this point, SAVE is looking for your commitment to host, meaning getting a good keynote speaker. SAVE will also market the Cascadia Chapter to everyone that we are the host for that month (stand-alone presentation).
The speaker will likely determine which day the meeting is held, as long as the time is noon (EST). Teresa will send out an opportunity notice to the Chapter membership to see if anyone has a topic (and date preference if they offer to speak). The e-mail will mention the fact that presenters gain “Share VE” points towards certification.
Upcoming Meeting Locations for the 2015/2016 Program Year
2015-2016 SAVE Cascadia Chapter Schedule (Locations may change if geographic interest is less than expected). Chapter Members are encouraged to provide venue suggestions. Dinner meeting locations that offer a private or semi-private space free of cost are preferred. In that case, members purchase dinner and drinks from the establishment. We are also considering workplace conference rooms and bringing food in.
- September 9 – Tacoma – meeting was held and well attended.
- October 14 – Seattle – Contact Paul Fuchs to see if interested; Steven offered to find a speaker if needed (but let him know soon).
- November 11 – Renton
- December 9 – Holiday party location TBD, date may vary
- January 13 – Olympia
- February 10 – Seattle
- March 9 – Everett (Steven mentioned that Matt O’Brien of Boeing can help us find a location)
- April 14 (Thurs) – Joint Meeting with AACE (Location TBD)
- May 11 – Vancouver, WA
- June – during the June 5-7 Value Summit in Niagara Falls, ON, Canada
Last June’s SAVE Value Summit
Blane asked for opinions about the Value Summit from those present at the September Meeting.
- Laurie Dennis – overall positive, nice venue, good speakers.
- Steve Thompson – nice venue, nice resort, but would have preferred longer conference with more pre-screening of the conference sessions.
- Teresa Platin – overall positive, networking very good as a first time attendee, nice hotel/location/food. Particularly liked the Six-Sigma pre-workshop, but found the technical presentations (conference sessions) to be less robust than expected.
- Tomi Hume – would have preferred a more centrally located conference and more learning and networking opportunities.
- Paul Fuchs – particularly enjoyed the day-long FAST session. New to organization, so not ready to comment on other specific content, but was very impressed to see how much the field is valued and appreciated.
- Blane Long – fantastic venue. Really enjoyed San Diego. Found the communication to attendees to be poor. Our Chapter had 3 delegates (including Blane as President), and we were not told ahead of time where to go and when for the meeting. Consequently, our group missed an opportunity to represent our Chapter. Also recommends better vetting of the conference content. What was advertised in the program didn’t always match up with the actual content.
While some liked the opportunity to attend pre-conferences on Sunday, there was at least one opinion offered against Sunday training.
Laurie noted that SAVE did not sponsor the Mod II training this time. SVS organized and held the training on their own.
AACE Seattle Section Joint Meeting
Our April 14 Meeting will be a joint meeting hosted by AACE Seattle Section.
They would like to have a value engineering topic discussed or presented. AACE will also have a topic such as risk, earned value, 5th & Union development and sustainability, etc. They would like to know if we would be interested in any of these topics.
The group discussed the fact that the VE community would be well served to broaden its perspective. VE originated in manufacturing, but has become very civil engineering focused. The opinion was shared that the more they know about Six-Sigma, the more valuable professionals are in the industry.
Presentation (7:30 – 8:30 pm)
Presentation Topic: Upcoming Changes from the SAVE Certification Board
by Laurie Dennis, PE, CVS-Life, FSAVE, Executive Director of the SAVE Certification Board (and Past Cascadia Chapter Board Member)
The SAVE Certification Board is planning many changes in the coming year including some related to moving toward ANSI accreditation. The September Dinner Meeting topic was of great interest to anyone with an AVS or CVS certification, or anyone wanting to learn more about these certifications. Laurie’s presentation of the upcoming SAVE certification changes was informal, allowing for an excellent dialogue among meeting participants. While we don’t usually provide detailed presentation notes in the Chapter Meeting minutes, a few important points are noted below since there is not a formal presentation to post along with these notes.
• SAVE anticipated making changes sooner, but is now delaying until key decisions are made in April 2016.
• Drivers for changes in the certification rules:
Many agencies see AVS certification as indication of qualification to LEAD value studies, especially outside the United States.
SAVE has been getting complaints of and is concerned about poor Function Analysis quality. Laurie reminded the group that studies that are not lead or overseen by CVS’s do not qualify.
The Value Management Practitioner (VMP) certification category has been under-used. Currently there are 4, with one known to be working toward CVS. In the past, with no AVS category, more people went from VMP to CVS.
• As the Board has grappled with solutions, one was to eliminate the AVS title, but they have received a lot of push-back, particularly internationally. They are also considering a 2-step process of either AVS to CVS (with no VMP, and possibly changed AVS standards) or VMP to CVS. VMP currently is designed for qualified practitioners who are unable to conduct enough value studies to achieve or maintain a CVS certification, but are qualified to lead studies independently. The Board may look at keeping the AVS certification, but requiring more than Mod I training and passing the test to obtain it. Perhaps a certain number of studies will need to be conducted first.
• Comments and questions were posed by Chapter Members and discussed as a group or answered by Laurie. Out of practicality, the discussion is not provided here, but the questions and comments are.
AVS lead job qualifies if Fn Analysis performed and there is a Job Plan, AND the study is performed under the guidance of a CVS. SAVE Board is concerned about AVSs leading VE studies straight out of Mod I.
o WSDOT is on the “ground floor” promoting VE and leads 90% of their studies with AVSs. It is not their policy to hire CVSs for every study, so this will be a disincentive to conducting VE if the studies don’t “count”.
o Boeing performs their Lean+ studies internally with someone certified by Boeing. How will changes avoid starving the outside industry?
o How will this affect people who like being an AVS?
o How would changes address CVSs who aren’t doing everything THEY should be doing?
Are some of the agencies complaining about poor quality VE studies the same ones driving 1-day studies?
ANSI doesn’t allow for “Life” certifications – you must demonstrate that you are staying current in the practice. There might be a “CVS-Master” certification instead, which is different from CVS. It might involve more mentoring, but the idea would be to have a distinction from the criteria met by CVS.
Might the Board consider different options, like if an AVS waits more than 6 years to move on to CVS, they’d have to take the AVS part of the test again?
Could the Board institute a waiting period between testing for the AVS certification and actually receiving it? Require a certain amount of time to pass so it’s not so easy to become AVS?
Could the Board require that AVSs get annual memberships, but do not recertify?
What do 2009 or earlier AVS’s have to do to recertify? The guidelines are clear for 2010+, but 2009 just expires in 2017.
Will the Board be “grandfathering in” current AVSs and not adversely impacting them by new rules? That could be a more palatable way to make the changes for those who have put a lot of time and energy into their current credentials.
Boeing’s internal certification was difficult that it was a big deterrent to building the profession. When Steve revamped the program, he made it more attainable; however, he’s raised the “high end” of achieving “Fellow”. This allows those interested in finding out more about the profession and opportunities to get engaged and be part of workshops, but if they find that it’s not for them, they haven’t invested to much time.
• If people are concerned about what they’re hearing about possible certification changes, they should contact Laurie Dennis, and she can pass the comments along to the Board. Decisions have not been made or finalized yet.